How did Ecstasy become famous?
Well I first heard about Ecstasy in, I think, 1985 when I really think it was, initially--all through the 70's therapists were giving it to their patients. It was very underground. Nobody really knew very much about it, but eventually it did sort of leak out to the club scene. I think what really broke the story was when Ecstasy was being sold in Texas, over the counter at the bars in Texas. And then, it started showing up in magazine articles. The magazine articles were primarily about this big rave, well, club scene in Texas -- but also about how it was being used therapeutically. So that's really how it became famous, was when it turned from MDA into Ecstasy, which is really what happened about '83, '84', '85, was when Texas was getting going.