Where do you draw the line for an acceptable level of interrogation?
It's a very difficult line, because obviously a lot of this is dictated by politics--well, actually, politicians. But actually, certainly from my point of view, when I was a soldier or when I think about it now, I would have no worries about--if I was in the field, and I had prisoners, and I wanted to know information, I would do whatever was needed to get that information, because I've got a responsibility to the people that are with me. So I'm not worried about that. Certainly, if we're in a civilian environment where we're looking at terrorism, and the prevention of terrorism, and now the advent of rendition, where people are lifted out of different countries and taken to people who will interrogate them, whether it's in North Africa or wherever it may be, again, I'm torn on this, because the fact is, if there's real-time information... An example: if we're looking at maybe the bombing of the London Tube system. Now the argument is if you could have had one of those guys they day before before, are you going to sit him down and make him aware of his rights so that he can just sit there and say nothing and that action could just take place, possibly? Or are you going to grip this guy, whatever's possible, whether you're going to use psychological interrogation first, that's not working, but you've got to grip this guy, because you want that information to save lives. That's trying to get the balance, whether you're looking at Guantanamo Bay, where the fact is, well, what are you doing? Well, if this guy isn't coming up with the information after a year, I don't think he's coming up with much. And whatever he comes up with is going to be old. So, you know, to a certain extent, that's counter-productive. But the real-time information, I personally--if I was in the UK--and I was in that situation where I had somebody, and I wanted to know when that bomb was going off in the next twenty-four hours, I would interrogate him. And I would take my chances in court in front of a jury, because they would understand.
